Hiroshi Ishiguro Dialogue, Part 2: How Will We Live in 2070? Technology, Humanity, and the Design of Shosa
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Technology and Human Relations
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In the U.S., there is a slight affinity in psychology, especiallyChars, body language, and micro-communication.
In my work, “shosaku” is redefined as a movement for humans to evolve in conjunction with the mind. This is called “Shosa-logy” and we will hold a session on this theme at Ars Electronica in 2022.
Some robots jointly researched with Dr. Ishiguro are the main theme.
When I returned to Japan from a university in the United States, I was imp、ed with Japanese culture in Japan, and I was in the early 20s. It was a chance that I started to incorporate the work that adapts to the layout while conscious of each work and behavior.
In the zashiki, all actions wereAction together, and the beauty of the work was conscious, and the daily life in front of the mirror was sent for about half a year.It is also said that during the meal, but in all cases, how to move the foot in tatami mats, how to treat and think at Ryo , hem and sleeves in kimono, etc.Comment
It is often unconscious that human movements and their movements are seen so far when they live normally. However, the consciousness that is always seen in the sittingKeep in mind that everything livesYou must have the feeling of doing the work.
For example, in the work of advertising and communication design as an art director, it is possible to create human behavior as a performance, such as video, choreography and dance.
In the world of robotics like Ishiguro,How do you hear the technology and the work?
Stone Black:
We have researched how to talk, how to move your head, how to move your eyes, and how to find your own rules.
、Deep Learning is popular, but there are many people taking such action data, but Android doesn’t have access to it.
At the recognition level, all the movements of people are taken in deep learning and reproduced, or they are predicted, or they have been doing a lot of technology like modeling of the work, but they have only partial modeling.
The work of human beings is very deep, and it is then finely classified as shallow.
I think that there are various complex elements that are affected by the reflective behavior of the environment.
It is a very limited part that can be covered by technology.
For example, if you have a big sound, you can not make a robot’s work because it is a very short reaction.
ButHumans have a very deep feeling, and the work that appears from there is no easy modeling.
It is still necessary for research, and technology is able to reproduce only the surface part of the work.
HomeIt is said that the real “work” will come out from the heart of the human being. I think it is made from consciousness, so it is still ahead to reach the level of mindI think.
How do I implement “S、pture” on Android?
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That’s right. It is true that the mind and the work are linked greatly, but it is a problem that how to put the work into the creation with the robot. It is possible to implement the work on a robot similarly with a program as humans. However,It seems difficult to implement how to connect with feelingsI felt at first.
Stone Black:
Since the work is linked with the mind, we are trying to understand the mechanism of human mind by repro the behavior.
First of all, to reproduce the work on Android, where we learn the work and feel humanity. If it is possible, it seems to be “heartful” and I think that the mind is a little more understand.
I hope that many people will be able to understand the mind of people through the movement and work from there by making Android more human.
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That’s right. It is true that the mind and the work are linked greatly, but it is a problem that how to put the work into the creation with the robot. It is possible to implement the work on a robot similarly with a program as humans. However, the implementation of how to connect with s was difficult at first.
Japanese culture and future design
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Thank you.
I have another question.Culture and Future DesignI would like to ask.
KiQ, my design studio, specializes in cultural design based on reconstruction. Dr. Ishiguro also hears that he is working on the design of the future in Japan with Expo and Cabinet Office.
I think that culture is not ignorable in that, how do you think about the design for culture × future?
Stone Black:
I didn’t care about culture. To be honest, the culture is taught clearly by discussion with Kikuchi.
“Culture creates the future” It seems like that.
It is not possible to predict even if you want to predict the future from any place, but it is scientifically. If there is a certain flow, you can see the future on the extension line. If you think about it, it should be like that culture.
However, science and technology tends to lighten the culture that has been built for a long time.
It is not possible to understand everything by science and technology when thinking about what the future is.
Most of the problems are those that have been understood and expressed in the culture, such asHomes, minds, and consciousness, which are important to humans.
Naturally when we think about what the mind of people in the future isPositive elements that cannot be ignored
I thought that since I was aware of the discussion with Mr. Kikuchi, I think that we will create a variety of science and technology in the future, and the world will be more convenient.
At the same time, I think that culture will become more wider.
The most important thing in human and human society that cannot be understood by science and technology is expressed in the culture, and while developing culture, we add new science and technology to understand the essence of the culture. I think that such thing will happen in the future.
I think this is definitely true,
In the future, the culture is important or darker,Clearly darkeningI think.
In a deeper culture, understanding humans and society, and culture and science and technology“Reaching the understanding of real human society”I think.
:As the culture is said to be diluted, there is a need for Japanese culture to be evolved while coexisting with colored technology.
It is necessary to have an expert in the field of cultural design and have a more diverse perspective.
KiQ is also thinking about developing creators with skillsets that teach creativity in culture that are necessary for the future.
Science is one culture. What is KiQ’s next-generation culture creation?
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HomeCulture and science were not fusion, a sorted areaI thought.
However, I think that science is close to one culture because I work with scientists. It is also a strength as KiQ that the world of science has increased, and it is able to perform direction beyond field and human type while interpreting both.
It is a good idea that creators will be able to deepen their knowledge of chemistry, study culture, and work with things while understanding both.
Stone Black:
I think that science is one cultural thing.
Science has become a fair world.
It’s a very simple formula that expresses everything or is a very extreme culture.
Of course, we have a variety of things in science, and we are able to do various things in the world.
There is no doubt, but there are still a lot of things that cannot be explained in science.
It is important for humans and humans.It is hardly explained in science that is close to human everyday life. It is a culture that expresses it.
Therefore, we use the power of science while understanding the importance of expressing in culture. There have been many changes in science and technology.
As I evolved with science and technology, my robot is exactly the same,
It simply leads to something that cannot be understood by science and technology.
It is a complex society, such as human mind, life, etc.
In the future, R&D that incorporates more culture becomes the key, and there is no doubt that it is important.
In other words, there is a study of objectivity and subjectivity, and science requires objectives, so it is important to find a formula that applies anywhere.
However, human society is composed of the subjectivity of each person.
I think that this is why people who feel like this areCompany and created in society, and they express their hearts and lives.
Therefore, if you try to treat such subject matter properly, it is insufficient only with science, and the culture becomes very important research.
I think it is important to use a cultural approach.
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